To All Sylar Fanboys/girls

[Lolinizer]

Originally Posted by DuracellEnergizer

So, Peter gaining the urge to kill & cut open heads after discovering he had Sylar's power was just a coincidence then. .

When Peter got the hunger he changed psychologically, not physically: His personality changed.

Originally Posted by DuracellEnergizer

Whether lost or only suppressed the result is the same - powers don't work. Using the "lost-and-suppressed-don't-mean-the-same-thing" thing as an excuse to explain away the discrepancy doesn't work.

This hunger is a side effect of Sylars ability. The difference between lost and suppressed is then your power is suppressed the side effects of the power still affect you. Therefore Sylar still has the hunger in season 2.

When Peter got his powers suppressed by the Haitian, he just couldn’t use his powers. But when he lost his powers his system went into shock and he fainted. So there is a difference.

[DuracellEnergizer]

Originally Posted by Lolinizer

When Peter got the hunger he changed psychologically, not physically: His personality changed.

A physical, biological agent caused his personality to change, as opposed to a personality change brought about by mental/emotional distress - which was what lay behind Sylar's psychopathy prior to season 3, as I have been trying to explain.

Originally Posted by Lolinizer

This hunger is a side effect of Sylars ability. The difference between lost and suppressed is then your power is suppressed the side effects of the power still affect you.

And why shouldn't the side effect be suppressed along with the powers? Just admit that this is just a fanwank you created to explain away the writers ineptitude, and was not something the writers intended. Can't say I blame you, though. It takes a lot of fanwanking in order to cope with the mess Heroes has become.


On a final note, no one's really tried to convince me Sylar's a good character yet - which is why I created this thread in the first place.

[MLionheart]

Originally Posted by DuracellEnergizer

Give me GOOD EVIDENCE that PROVES, or at least presents a GOOD CASE, that Sylar is a good character & the be-all-and-end-all of Heroes - rather than the overrated, overused has-been little [d]uck I know he is.

Well, I wouldn't say he's overrated, just has been overused. That's happened to all of the cast though. Everyones coolness is degrading. Although, I think Sylar went back up in season four, as he was the only one I enjoyed to watch during that. All in all, I think they should have stuck with the plan of changing the cast every season.

[SpaceBar]

You want a good case?

Sylar is one of the key reasons that make me wanna watch the show. Zach Quinto is an awesome actor, which is more than can be said for Hayden Pannetty-whatever, Ali Larter and many others. Sylar and Peter are the only real bad-ass characters, for a comic-book type show except for the Peter and Sylar parts, there are very few fights and action scenes worth watching.

[DuracellEnergizer]

Originally Posted by SpaceBar

You want a good case?

Sylar is one of the key reasons that make me wanna watch the show. Zach Quinto is an awesome actor, which is more than can be said for Hayden Pannetty-whatever, Ali Larter and many others. Sylar and Peter are the only real bad-ass characters, for a comic-book type show except for the Peter and Sylar parts, there are very few fights and action scenes worth watching.

So he's a good character because he's played by a good actor and because he's "badass"?

I'll admit that Quinto is not a bad actor, but he's nothing special and numerous other actors could have played Sylar the exact same way. Besides, an actor's skills doesn't make a character good; good characterization and writing does.

And Sylar isn't badass, he's just surrounded by completely stupid, inept morons with severe cases of mental retardation. In any other fictional universe with foes with actual brains and sense he would have had his ass handed to him a thousand times over.

[Soylor]

Originally Posted by DuracellEnergizer

In seasons 1 & 2 he was driven to take powers because his mother had drilled into him the desire to be special, to be more than a watchmaker. Any "hunger" was purely psychological.

Now, though, the writers claim that Sylar was forced, against his will, due to his own biology, to kill & steal others' powers. This goes against the fact that Sylar was never shown to be a reluctant killer in the first two seasons; in fact he got pleasure in killing his victims, taking glee in their fear & suffering.

Actually, he's had the "hunger" from the very first episode. If you recall, the first time you hear him on Chandra Suresh's answering machine, he says "I can't control it anymore...and I don't think I want to."

So I'm not condoning what he's done, and I'm not going to insist that the "hunger" was the only thing driving him to kill. But still it's been there.

As for the continuing murderer behavior in season two when he was powerless...perhaps the virus only suppressed the actual ability, and not the hunger that came with it? It's not like his ability was gone, it was still there. He just needed to be cured of the virus.


At the moment, there is no good argument for goodness in Sylar/Gabriel. But, I would say that he has the potential for being a good person, as seen in the future-that-never-happens in season three, but due to other circumstances he gave in to weakness and allowed terrible things to happen. Not just for everyone he came in contact with, but himself as well.

He still has sympathies, though. After all, he did help Micah escape from Danko. And Luke from Danko's men, too.

Sylar has become so messed up, it's hard to think that he could reverse his situation. But...with the title of this new chapter, Redemption, there might be hope for him yet.

[cturtle]

Originally Posted by Soylor

As for the continuing murderer behavior in season two when he was powerless...perhaps the virus only suppressed the actual ability, and not the hunger that came with it? It's not like his ability was gone, it was still there. He just needed to be cured of the virus.

I think of the character as just an evil person, with or without his sci-fi gifts. When has the hunger it's a temptation to harm others, and he acts on it. When that temptation is removed for a few episodes, he still has other temptations to harm others, like the temptation to get his powers back, and he acts on it.

In one of the older seasons, I recall he was powerless for a while and was excited that it would be easier to change without the hunger temptation, but he got discouraged as soon as the eclipse ended and went right back to murder.

[Soylor]

I don't think he's an evil person by nature. From flashbacks, we can see that after his first killing, he knew he'd done something terrible and he almost committed suicide. After he had hopes of a happy life with Elle, he was ready to give up on acquiring powers completely.

Of course, after the temptation, he and the hunger were back at it again.

Sylar is highly flawed, just like everyone else. More so than most, but no one is is truly and completely good.
Because of his upbringing, he's more likely to fall to weakness, especially if there are promises of becoming something greater. He hated being a nobody, and from what we can tell, he really had no friends or close family(besides his mother) to speak of. With no one to feel responsible to, and no one that he felt truly cared, what more in life was there than the path of being someone better? Someone powerful?


Again, I'm not saying that all of this is an excuse for murder and manipulation. A reason, but not an excuse.

[Urine Engineer]

What's this about Sylar being good?

Sylar is awesome!

[fatj0]

I think you're allowing the stupidity of Peter with Sylar's "hunger" to cloud your opinion of his character. That whole plot piece was the most counter-intuitive piece of whatever that Heroes has put out there... I'm just glad it didn't last long. Sylar isn't what I would call bad, much less unredeemable, I think he has more to offer than some others. He has the urge to kill, at first for power, at times for revenge, but mostly just for the sheer thrill of it. Now with Matt as his potential protege I'm excited to see where it goes from here.