Spider Debate -- is he in on the fix?

[spiderr987]

Originally Posted by Gartism

At least he watches...that entitles him to his opinion. If he was just trolling the boards to stir up "online anger" for fun, well - then he'd just need a hug.

I've seen marketing groups do this just to keep debate going is why I asked in the 1st place. Plus, I've seen the EXACT same figures and arguments (down to the punctuation and text color) on other boards so I wondered if it might be a scheme.

Not a scheme. ...just countering the stealth marketers like Matt. He's all over cyber, posting on every single GINO board, promoting the show all day and night, like he gave birth to it, slamming TOS all the while. His job is to suppress the truth about GINO and how Moore & co screwed over Larsona and TOS fans, who were the main driving force behind reviving BSG.

[Matt197981]

I've only posted on here and on IMDB. The more hardcore fans of the show are still angry that the only continuation they will get is Galactica 1980 and yes I do slam the original series. The more hardcore fans are a very vocal about a continuing series but they also proved one point there aren't enough of them for Universal to care about trying to continue the original series. There is just not enough of them. If there were and they actually did something for Universal to take notice something might of happened but the old fans didn't do enough so why should Universal continue to persue a continuation when it would make more sense to start from scratch.

The only footnote TOS BSG left behind was a a show that lasted for one season that road on the success of Star Wars. It started out as a huge hit but viewership of the old series dropped fast millions tuned out by the end of the single season, if the show made it to a second season then the old BSG would be right where the new one is right now with low ratings.

Here are some shows that were saved by the fans

Star Trek Next Generation was saved by cancellation after one season by a massive letter writing campaign

The X Files saved after one season by a massive letter writing campaign

Jericho saved from cancellation but when the show was brought back cancelled again when ratings were worse than the previous year.

A continuation of the old show might of happened but the more hardcore fans would still find something to be angry about and you would still be in the same exact spot. There has been to much time that has passed since the original series and it isn't possible to do a faithful continuation that would make the older fans happy.

[Gartism]

Originally Posted by spiderr987

I've seen about 7-8 episodes, most of them, the first half of season one. SCAR almost convinced me to give it another chance, but the New Crapica story line, sympathizing with terrorists, and how he trashed the PEGASUS story, complete with gang rape and battery of women, turned me stomach, resulting in me turning out for good.

Agree about the Pegasus ... don't think that was necessary - I don't care if they thought they were "only" emulating the Iraqi prisoner situation.

Always thought the point of TV was a distraction from reality...

And with you two -- what are you going to talk about when the show's done?

[Matt197981]

Maybe I'll continue to talk about Battlestar Galactica but there are other shows I like to talk about

Arrested Development
Deadwood
Twin Peaks
MythBusters
Dark Shadows 60s and 91 version
Six Feet Under

there aren't alot of current shows on TV that I like to watch really. Most tv bores me but if HBO finally greenlights the Preacher series based on the DC/Vertigo comic I"ll gladly post on boards about that.

[Gartism]

They're gonna screw up Preacher...I just know it. But I'll watch it anyway

[spiderr987]

Originally Posted by Matt197981

...there aren't enough of them for Universal to care about trying to continue the original series. There is just not enough of them.

You are basing this off what data? Please present it. Here is some real data for you, instead of some fanboy, wanker, wishful thinking:


29-65 million fans tuned in to watch Larson's TOS BSG series every week 28 to 29 years ago. Those same fans, which are about 35-45 years old, today, are the same avid science fiction/space fantasy fans that are going to and buying science fiction/space fantasy movies like STAR WARS ep 1-6, the STAR TREK movies and tv shows, the MATRIX movies, the MARVEL and DC movies, etc. Chances are, just as they are still interested the genre, they still like BSG TOS. If the BSG name was bankable, why did FOX and SciFI Channel agree to produce a faithful BSG continuation tv show, that Larson had signed off on, which was originally headed up by Singer & DeSanto? The only reason why Singer couldn't follow through on directing the show, is b/c of the 9/11 tragedy, putting him behind schedule, forcing him to bail out, in order to start X-MEN on time.

A laughable less than 3 million people watch GINO, which has turned into a ratings disaster, especially taking into an account how much it costs to produce the show.



You do the math, genius.

[Gartism]

Just for some parity ... TOS BSG dropped, what - 44% in a year? With Mary Tyler Moore's variety show as competition?

I can see why it was canceled.

[Matt197981]

Originally Posted by spiderr987

You are basing this off what data? Please present it. Here is some real data for you, instead of some fanboy, wanker, wishful thinking:


29-65 million fans tuned in to watch Larson's TOS BSG series every week 28 to 29 years ago. Those same fans, which are about 35-45 years old, today, are the same avid science fiction/space fantasy fans that are going to and buying science fiction/space fantasy movies like STAR WARS ep 1-6, the STAR TREK movies and tv shows, the MATRIX movies, the MARVEL and DC movies, etc. Chances are, just as they are still interested the genre, they still like BSG TOS. If the BSG name was bankable, why did FOX and SciFI Channel agree to produce a faithful BSG continuation tv show, that Larson had signed off on, which was originally headed up by Singer & DeSanto? The only reason why Singer couldn't follow through on directing the show, is b/c of the 9/11 tragedy, putting him behind schedule, forcing him to bail out, in order to start X-MEN on time.

A laughable less than 3 million people watch GINO, which has turned into a ratings disaster, especially taking into an account how much it costs to produce the show.



You do the math, genius.

Well if this show still has such a big loyal fan base then how come Universal didn't try and create a new spinoff? you'd think if this show had such a huge fan base Universal would've done more to try and create a fanbase out of it. Did I touch a nerve because you know I'm right is that why you have to resort to cheap insults?

[spiderr987]

The only reason GINO got a chance is because FOX then SciFi Channel greenlighted a BSG continuation, based on Larson's creation, thanks to the TOS fans, Singer and DeSanto pushing... The ONLY reason, it didn't get made was due to the 9/11 attack setting Singer behind schedule, forcing him to leave to start X-MEN, which he was slated to start shooting. READ:

Bryan Singer’s Mission: “Battlestar Galactica”

By Hollywood.com Staff | Friday, February 23, 2001


Bryan Singer’s Mission: “Battlestar Galactica”
By Hollywood.com Staff | Friday, February 23, 2001
Hollywood - HOLLYWOOD, Feb. 22, 2001 - One of the '70s' most influential spectaculars is coming back in a big way.



Reuters has revealed that Bryan Singer, who scored a hit as the director of last year’s blockbuster “X-Men,” is going to be bringing the fan favorite series “Battlestar Galactica” back to television. Singer, who recently signed on to direct “X-Men 2,” will executive produce the pilot for the new series along with Tom DeSanto, and if the shooting schedule for “X-Men 2” permits, he’ll direct the series pilot, as well. As of yet, no network has been picked to air the pilot.




“Battlestar Galactica,” which called on "Star Wars” for inspiration, aired on ABC from 1978-1980. While never a big hit, the series has become a cult favorite and a sci-fi convention regular.




David Kissinger, the president of USA Television Production Group, which is producing the new series, told Reuters: “I never dreamed a filmmaker of Bryan's stature would be enough of a hard-core fan that he saw this as a franchise that could be reinvented. In the initial meeting, I was wary that he might be just another feature guy looking to slap his name on a TV project, but it was immediately clear this wasn't so. He's got a whole mythology and arc for the series already worked out.”




The original series, which was budgeted at $1 million per episode, was the highest budgeted drama of its time. As to the production of the new series, Kissinger says: “We'll shop it right away with the goal of having it in a prime-time slot on a network, but it's possible that we might be able to do a dual window scenario with the SciFi Channel."




He went on to say: "With Bryan's vision and a brand name which has international appeal, we're optimistic we'll be able to make it on the grand scale he imagines. The visual imagery he's talking about is unprecedented in its effects and scope.”




Director Singer says of “Battlestar”: “The lesson I learned on ‘X-Men’ is to have a healthy respect for the fan base of sci-fi fantasy franchises, and I'm confident that the ‘Galactica’ brand is a sleeping giant. It was a show I watched during its initial run, from the pilot to the final episode. The essence and the brand name is quite potent in a climate where there's a great deficit of sci-fi programming.”




As for “X-Men 2,” Singer is aiming for a potential holiday 2002 premiere.

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Bryan_...lactica/313555

...so, as you can see, the only reason GINO exists today, is because FOX and SciFi Channel greenlighted a BSG continuation show. Why would they do that, if they didn't think there was a substantial TOS fanbase to support the show? ...not to mention new fans Singer would have brought in from the science fiction/fantasy crowd. Unfortunately, Moore thought it best to stroke his own over inflated ego, by re-imagining Larson's source material into a total mess, full of continuity errors, abandoned story arcs, bad dialogue, sexbots and a ratings disaster.