Battlestar Galactica: Do Starbuck and Apollo Belong Together? - Page 2

spiderr987 · 04-06-2008, 10:08 PM

Um... maybe AS THE GALACTICA TURNS would be a more fitting title for this craptacular show. Gee, thanks, Ronald Moore for dragging the worst elements of television (soap opera garbage, constant backstabbing to create contrived conflict between characters, etc) into a once respected genre. Can he tarnish the BSG tv show that Glen Larson created in 1978 anymore? I guess that's why the '78 show had 29-60 million weekly viewers and Moore's imposter BSG has less than 2 million w/ a 66% ratings drop.

Gartism · 04-10-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by spiderr987

Can he tarnish the BSG tv show that Glen Larson created in 1978 anymore? I guess that's why the '78 show had 29-60 million weekly viewers and Moore's imposter BSG has less than 2 million w/ a 66% ratings drop.

Ok, what?

In 1978 the top rated show was Laverne & Shirley - estimated 22 million audience. BSG wasn't in the top 30.

1979 - 60 Minutes, 21 million. Again, no BSG in the top 30.

Where are you getting 29-60 million weekly viewers?

KelseyFahy2 · 04-14-2008, 05:01 AM

Well, the first season was definitely the best - I'd have to rewatch the second and third to decide on them - but it's still good. My issue is that there's less sweet Viper action, but I guess that could get old quickly, and I'm sorry, but how on EARTH could anyone think that the new series is more cheesy than the old one? And you dare compare it to a Lifetime movie? ::mock rage:: Seriously, though, you must be !@#!@ing crazy. People - have - issues. People - backstab - eachother. People are not PERFECT, they have sexual tension, and when people complain about how characters are acting like teenagers because they aren't handling relationships with grace - get a grip. People are flawed at ALL ages, and we're seeing all sorts of relationships in action, not just romantic ones. Get over the fact that there is romance and human drama in a show - and in life.

spiderr987 · 04-14-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gartism

Ok, what?

In 1978 the top rated show was Laverne & Shirley - estimated 22 million audience. BSG wasn't in the top 30.

1979 - 60 Minutes, 21 million. Again, no BSG in the top 30.

Where are you getting 29-60 million weekly viewers?

What months are you referencing in 1978 and 1979? BSG was only the air for one year between 1978-1979. If you're referencing the months prior and after it went off the air, than your data is meaningless.

spiderr987 · 04-14-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KelseyFahy2

Well, the first season was definitely the best - I'd have to rewatch the second and third to decide on them - but it's still good. My issue is that there's less sweet Viper action, but I guess that could get old quickly, and I'm sorry, but how on EARTH could anyone think that the new series is more cheesy than the old one? And you dare compare it to a Lifetime movie? ::mock rage:: Seriously, though, you must be !@#!@ing crazy. People - have - issues. People - backstab - eachother. People are not PERFECT, they have sexual tension, and when people complain about how characters are acting like teenagers because they aren't handling relationships with grace - get a grip. People are flawed at ALL ages, and we're seeing all sorts of relationships in action, not just romantic ones. Get over the fact that there is romance and human drama in a show - and in life.

Sackhoff admits ex-LIFETIME Hammer has turned GINO into a soap opera

From Zap2it.com

Katee Sackhoff on Moore's UNauthorized BSG:

"And then Starbuck finds another man," says Sackhoff. "Like, what is that? I called [the show] a soap opera in an interview. They're mad at me. It is a soap opera; she's sleeping with every goddamn guy on the show. Is that not a soap opera? I'm sorry. And she loves every one of them. I mean, like, obviously it's a soap opera."

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-ka...v-mainheadline

Bonnie Hammer

Biography

Bonnie Hammer was named to the position of President, SCI FI Channel in April 2001. [...when SciFi Channel starting broadcasting all the b-grade original big monster movies and other crap programming. Coincidence]?

During her tenure in programming, she was responsible for a number of aspects of USA Networks’ programming, including the development, production and supervision of original fiction, reality-based series and specials. [We have her to thank for rubbish as SCARE TACTICS].

Prior to joining Universal Television, Hammer was a programming executive at Lifetime Television Network, [...well, well, well... What a friggin' surprise]!!!

http://corpinfo.universalstudios.com...Bio=34&sheet=1

________________________

One look at this resume, and it's no wonder why Galactica In Name Only seems like it was produced for the LIFETIME CHANNEL!

Behold! The 2638+ page shipper thread at the SciFi Channel GINO site:

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2294558

Gartism · 04-18-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderr987

What months are you referencing in 1978 and 1979? BSG was only the air for one year between 1978-1979. If you're referencing the months prior and after it went off the air, than your data is meaningless.

I'm asking where you got YOUR numbers. You started the numbers debate -- gimme your source!

I will concede that back in 1978 the original premiere drew a ton of folks (approx 65 million - nice) ... 9/17/1978 - a Sunday Night... When there were only 3 channels on TV. And the alternatives were crap.

What were they up against? Mary on CBS (the Mary Tyler Moore variety show) and The Big Event (World Wrestling Fedration on NBC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978-79...chedule#Sunday

Come on, man -- which would YOU watch? It wasn't in the top 10 for the year...you make it sound like this HUGE cult thing that was cut short for being too good. M*A*S*H*'s finale garnered 105 million viewers...supposedly. Nielsen pares it down to like 50.15 million or something like that...and BSG doesn't even show up in their top 45. Were the numbers really that squirrelly back in the 70's?

I know the new version pretty much ignored the original, I GET the hatred there. It's like watching Lucas earn big bucks for 3 sh!tty movies that we didn't need...but are you bitter because you remember the original or because the new version has been on for longer than the 1 year the original survived?

You've been fighting this fight on the Internet for at least 3 years...dude, go watch something else. Please - for my blood pressure.

spiderr987 · 04-18-2008, 01:07 PM

Here's my source. Take it up with IGN. By the way, NBC-U and SciFi Channel quote the same numbers. Are they wrong, also?

THE ONE AND ONLY BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (as created by Glen A Larson)
____________________

"Battlestar Galactica, the definitive battle between the last surviving human colony and an evil robotic race, premiered on ABC in 1978 to an audience of 65 million viewers. The show remained a top-15 series throughout its brief run, and was eventually cancelled due to the prohibitively expensive special effects. From legendary television series creator Glen A. Larson (Magnum P.I., The Six Million Dollar Man), this science fiction adventure starring Lorne Green, Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict quickly established itself as an epic and powerful television saga.

Considered cutting-edge for its time, Battlestar Galactica took home Emmy Awards for Outstanding Costume Design for a Series and Outstanding Individual Achievement - Creative Technical Crafts."

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/426/426739p1.html

Basically, Larson's BSG has nothing to prove. Even though it was only the air for one season, and it's ratings did not justify it's high cost, with 29-65 million fans, it made it's mark on the genre. Otherwise, Moore wouldn't be trying to ride of the coattails of the BSG name, instead of creating his own source material, which he seems uncapable of doing. Fire away at TOS. It doesn't affect the legacy Larson's show has left behind, and I couldn't care less, either. You can't change what is the status quo my friend, despite Hammer, Eick & Moore's desperate attempts at revisionist BSG history.

Matt197981 · 04-21-2008, 09:39 PM

the old BSG left it's mark on tv alright. Every time I tell people to watch BSG on sci fi channel people always say the same thing, wasn't that show cancelled 20 years ago?

spiderr987 · 04-22-2008, 11:54 AM

See my post above yours. Btw, of the people that did tune into watch GINO, 69% of them have turned off the show permanently. ..leaving less than 3 million people that actually watch the show. Compare to 29-65 million weekly viewers that watched Larson creation, BSG, who think of his show, when they hear the name, Battlestar Galactica. What does that tell you?

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04-06-2008, 10:08 PM	#11
spiderr987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 134	Um... maybe AS THE GALACTICA TURNS would be a more fitting title for this craptacular show. Gee, thanks, Ronald Moore for dragging the worst elements of television (soap opera garbage, constant backstabbing to create contrived conflict between characters, etc) into a once respected genre. Can he tarnish the BSG tv show that Glen Larson created in 1978 anymore? I guess that's why the '78 show had 29-60 million weekly viewers and Moore's imposter BSG has less than 2 million w/ a 66% ratings drop.

04-14-2008, 05:01 AM	#13
KelseyFahy2 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1	Well, the first season was definitely the best - I'd have to rewatch the second and third to decide on them - but it's still good. My issue is that there's less sweet Viper action, but I guess that could get old quickly, and I'm sorry, but how on EARTH could anyone think that the new series is more cheesy than the old one? And you dare compare it to a Lifetime movie? ::mock rage:: Seriously, though, you must be !@#!@ing crazy. People - have - issues. People - backstab - eachother. People are not PERFECT, they have sexual tension, and when people complain about how characters are acting like teenagers because they aren't handling relationships with grace - get a grip. People are flawed at ALL ages, and we're seeing all sorts of relationships in action, not just romantic ones. Get over the fact that there is romance and human drama in a show - and in life.

04-18-2008, 01:07 PM	#17
spiderr987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 134	Here's my source. Take it up with IGN. By the way, NBC-U and SciFi Channel quote the same numbers. Are they wrong, also? THE ONE AND ONLY BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (as created by Glen A Larson) ____________________ "Battlestar Galactica, the definitive battle between the last surviving human colony and an evil robotic race, premiered on ABC in 1978 to an audience of 65 million viewers. The show remained a top-15 series throughout its brief run, and was eventually cancelled due to the prohibitively expensive special effects. From legendary television series creator Glen A. Larson (Magnum P.I., The Six Million Dollar Man), this science fiction adventure starring Lorne Green, Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict quickly established itself as an epic and powerful television saga. Considered cutting-edge for its time, Battlestar Galactica took home Emmy Awards for Outstanding Costume Design for a Series and Outstanding Individual Achievement - Creative Technical Crafts." http://dvd.ign.com/articles/426/426739p1.html Basically, Larson's BSG has nothing to prove. Even though it was only the air for one season, and it's ratings did not justify it's high cost, with 29-65 million fans, it made it's mark on the genre. Otherwise, Moore wouldn't be trying to ride of the coattails of the BSG name, instead of creating his own source material, which he seems uncapable of doing. Fire away at TOS. It doesn't affect the legacy Larson's show has left behind, and I couldn't care less, either. You can't change what is the status quo my friend, despite Hammer, Eick & Moore's desperate attempts at revisionist BSG history.

04-21-2008, 09:39 PM	#18
Matt197981 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 24	the old BSG left it's mark on tv alright. Every time I tell people to watch BSG on sci fi channel people always say the same thing, wasn't that show cancelled 20 years ago?

04-22-2008, 11:54 AM	#19
spiderr987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 134	See my post above yours. Btw, of the people that did tune into watch GINO, 69% of them have turned off the show permanently. ..leaving less than 3 million people that actually watch the show. Compare to 29-65 million weekly viewers that watched Larson creation, BSG, who think of his show, when they hear the name, Battlestar Galactica. What does that tell you?