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06-27-2008, 09:55 AM
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|  Yeah, I've been intentionally staying away from spoilers. I want to see all of the episodes without any prior knowledge as to what takes place. Olmos has always been a favorite of mine. I was real happy when I first heard that he was taking on the role of Adama. He has always had great presence. Just a couple more months till I can indulge. |
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06-28-2008, 04:29 AM
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| Colonel Tigh: He has been one of the characters that I've had a tough time with as far as liking or hating. He is certainly what you would call a crusty old soldier. He looks like he has seen his fair share of action. He also seems to know his job rather well. Of course one of his major downfalls is his alcoholism which you see through out the series. But at times you can't help but feel sorry for Tigh. And at other time you can't help but hate him. It has certainly been a lot of fun watching this character over the last few years. |
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06-30-2008, 11:45 AM
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| Glen Larson speaks out against SFC's molesting his BSG source material! ‘Battlestar Galactica’ returns But fans of original are wary of remake Updated: 1:15 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2003 A few years ago, fans thought they’d get the continuation saga they’d clamored for when Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto, the director-writer team behind “X-Men,” hooked up with original “Galactica” creator Glen Larson to develop a project at 20th Century Fox. When that deal fell through, Universal TV chief David Kissinger brought in executive producer David Eick and Moore to rework the franchise for Sci Fi. “We want the fans to embrace what we are doing,” says Sci Fi President Bonnie Hammer, “but if you produced now what was produced then, it would feel like old TV. We wanted to make it more relatable, even in terms of the stereotypes of characters.” __________________________________________________ _________ “I understand they’re trying to do a modern version,” says Larson. “But change for the sake of change — it’s taking the title and exploiting it.” __________________________________________________ _________ http://www.cylon.org/bsg/bsg-desanto-01.html Q: Now that Firefly has jumped from the small screen to the big as Serenity, would you ever consider doing a theatrical feature of the new BSG? (This ought to stir-up the original series' fan nest.) Eick: Ultimately, I would think any appetite for a Battlestar feature film will be in part driven by how Serenity performs at the box office. However, Glen Larson, the producer of the original Battlestar, in a strange, unusual twist of contractual dexterity, was able to carve out the theatrical film rights back in the '70s when he made his initial deal for the television series. He holds those rights to this day, so any pursuit of a feature film would have to involve Mr. Larson. Given his purported disdain for the new series, that would seem an unlikely scenario http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/bts/...s/eick_QA.html Apparently, SciFi Channel has a penchant for molesting the source material of authors against their wishes. READ: ______________________ How the Sci Fi Channel wrecked my books. By Ursula K. Le Guin Posted Thursday, Dec. 16, 2004, at 6:14 AM PT On Tuesday night, the Sci Fi Channel aired its final installment of Legend of Earthsea, the miniseries based—loosely, as it turns out—on my Earthsea books. The books, A Wizard of Earthsea and The Tombs of Atuan, which were published more than 30 years ago, are about two young people finding out what their power, their freedom, and their responsibilities are. I don't know what the film is about. It's full of scenes from the story, arranged differently, in an entirely different plot, so that they make no sense. [purple]My protagonist is Ged, a boy with red-brown skin. In the film, he's a petulant white kid. Readers who've been wondering why I "let them change the story" may find some answers here. When I sold the rights to Earthsea a few years ago, my contract gave me the standard status of "consultant"—which means whatever the producers want it to mean, almost always little or nothing. My agency could not improve this clause. But the purchasers talked as though they genuinely meant to respect the books and to ask for my input when planning the film. They said they had already secured Philippa Boyens (who co-wrote the scripts for The Lord of the Rings) as principal script writer. The script was, to me, all-important, so Boyens' presence was the key factor in my decision to sell this group the option to the film rights. Months went by. By the time the producers got backing from the Sci Fi Channel for a miniseries—and another producer, Robert Halmi Sr., had come aboard—they had lost Boyens. That was a blow. But I had just seen Halmi's miniseries DreamKeeper, which had a stunning Native American cast, and I hoped that Halmi might include some of those great actors in Earthsea. http://www.slate.com/id/2111107 Ronald Moore booed at 25th BSG anniversary convention NBC/Universal, which owns the franchise, ultimately went with a new version of the "Battlestar" saga, which, like the old series, follows the last vestiges of humanity through space as they try to elude attacks from a mechanized race called the Cylons. Despite this tangled history, when Ronald D. Moore, creator of the new "Battlestar," finally met Hatch in person, the two hit it off. Hatch had invited Moore to show footage of the new mini-series at a 2003 convention celebrating the 25th anniversary of the original series. To say that the old-school "Battlestar" fans in the audience were a tough crowd is an understatement. "There was hostility," Moore recalls with a rueful laugh. "I was booed." When things got too testy during Moore's Q&A session, Hatch stepped in, a gesture the veteran of "Carnivale" and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" appreciated. http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....nt_tv/2005/01/ Why most sci fi fantasy fans hate Ronald Moore However, many have a problem with Ron Moore for the key role he played in writing "Star Trek Generations," which many consider to be the turning point of Trek, essentially the franchise killer, though it was to be a slow death over time. One of the biggest fan "movements" of modern Trek stems from the frustration over the ridiculously mediocre and meaningless death of Kirk, an icon of American pop-culture. Again, Moore played a key role in this. Moore has been attached with much mediocrity. Star Trek Generations. Mission Impossible 2. My own look at TNG episodes reveals (IMHO, of course) that most of the really good episodes with Moore's name on them are co-written with other writers, and than many of the scripts with only Moore's name on them are pretty mediocre. Haven't looked at the DS9 episode credits in the same way. Add to that Moore's role in the remake of BSG when for more than two decades both the BSG fan base and actors have been clamoring for a continuation. Top that with Moore's uncommon arrogance in claiming to reinvent an entire genre with a remake of an old TV show. Gene Roddenberry never claimed that he was doing anything remarkable. He was just happy to do what he wanted to do, as best he could, while occassionally putting one over on the networks who didn't catch some of the messages he wanted to convey. George Lucas never thought that Star Wars would revitalize and change a genre and an industry, he was just happy to tell the story he wanted to tell. Very few creative types who declare their own work revolutionary will produce anything that truly is. So, to his critics Moore has been involved in the two most contentious bad decisions in two of science fiction television's biggest franchises ever, as well as engaging in more than his share of mediocre TV and movies. As for BSG, what Moore claims is revolutionary is really just taking SF TV further from it's roots and potential. All he is doing it is placing the SF in the background to make character drama in space, with the whining, maladjusted, psychologically disoriented, unrealistically, dysfunctionally flawed characters that seem to be popular as a current entertainment fad. How drama cliche's translate to revolutionary SF, I don't know. I think Moore would do fine in straight drama, maybe as a staff writer for ER or some cop show, but his sensibilties are all wrong for Trek, BSG and SF. And did I mention all the mediocrity? http://www.trekweb.com/stbbs/showThr... &sort=&order= |
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07-01-2008, 03:24 AM
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| Besides the characters I also love the fact that things do not reset from episode to episode. When the Galactica gets battle damaged it stays that way. There is no magical reset button like there was in Star Trek. The Vipers also get battle damaged. Physics also seem to apply in the new BSG. Like the Galactica cannot fly in atmosphere (anyone remember Voyager?). In fact it sinks like a stone. They talk about the G-forces felt by the pilot's bodies when they manuver the Vipers. I like the fact that the technology has limits. They cant magically use the transporter or the holodeck to save the day as they did so many times in Trek. The fact that the focus is more on the characters and their situation rather than technology is a great change of pace. |
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07-01-2008, 03:09 PM
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| Is it any real surprise that Ron D Moore hit the RESET button at the end of season two of GINO? Come onnnnnnnnnn! If you are surprised then you really haven't been paying attention. The first season, which still sucked, borrowed heavily from BSG, the original series, and therefore at least exuded some sense of direction. Season deviated moreso from tos in storyline, leaving it up to Moore to actually CREATE something of substance, requiring planning and a sense of vision. *Sigh* As intriguing as the cans of worms Moore opened, it's pretty clear, now, that he had no clue where he was heading with it all and how it would tie in to the broader arc of the story. Btw season 2.5 you can tell that Moore was bancrupt of ideas, as he yanked his plots for episodes directly from our current news CNN headlines (abortion, child abuse, stem cell research, etc). It's certainly not the first time it's been done, so doing so did not make him a visionary in any regard. Science fiction shows that have done so, at LEAST found a clever way to weave those current day issues into the existing story, without clashing with the LOGIC of the situations. For example, why in the hell would the remnants of a surviving race of people, fleeing from genocide from a murderous race of cyborgs, form unions and go on strike within a year of stopping to settle and build defenses and fortifications?? It's pure stupidity! It's clear that Moore just ran out of ideas and had no clue or pre-defined story arc for GINO; hence hitting the RESET button and calling on his old ex-Voyager/DS9 buddy to try and bail his azz outta this and attempt to make sense of this mess. It's probably not the first time Michael Taylor has had to write Moore out of a corner. It seems Moore was not one of the better writers behind DS9 after all. A closer examination of Moore's work will indicate that he uses cheap, insulting plot devices to tie up loose ends all the time. Exhibit B: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2. I had no clue who Moore was and that he wrote that garbage, when I had regrettably paid my hard-earned cash to see it in the theatre with my friends. Boy, were we upset. We almost walked out in the middle of the movie, after 2-3 unmaskings utilized to sloppily wrap up every loose end in the movie. I guess everyone is the same height, build and has the same cheek bone structure to have pulled that off, huh? Again, the same ol' crap! Moore had no clue where he was going with it all, when he sat down to write MI:2 and used a cheap plot device to wrap it all up, no matter how insulting it was to the viewer. You see this countless times in Galactica In Name Only, as he presses the reset button on almost every character, having them do something majorly out of character, in contrast to how he has built up the character via the first couple of seasons. Exhibit B: Having Adama turn over the fleet to his alchololic subordinate, Tigh, who has shacked up with the Cylon enemy, all just to chase after a love interest. It's total ridiculous and out of character for Adama to have done that. In short: Ronald D Moore is a talentless hack. He screwed up MISSION IMPOSSIBLE as a franchise and new he's screwing up BSG. Does this guy even read and watch the source material that he's supposedly covering? Who keeps giving this guy projects? ...well, once you're reached the point, where a SciFi Channel gig is your main bread n' butter, that is a sign you've almost reached the bottom of the barrell. Glen Larson speaks out against SFC's molesting his BSG source material! ‘Battlestar Galactica’ returns But fans of original are wary of remake Updated: 1:15 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2003 A few years ago, fans thought they’d get the continuation saga they’d clamored for when Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto, the director-writer team behind “X-Men,” hooked up with original “Galactica” creator Glen Larson to develop a project at 20th Century Fox. When that deal fell through, Universal TV chief David Kissinger brought in executive producer David Eick and Moore to rework the franchise for Sci Fi. “We want the fans to embrace what we are doing,” says Sci Fi President Bonnie Hammer, “but if you produced now what was produced then, it would feel like old TV. We wanted to make it more relatable, even in terms of the stereotypes of characters.” __________________________________________________ _________ “I understand they’re trying to do a modern version,” says Larson. “But change for the sake of change — it’s taking the title and exploiting it.” __________________________________________________ _________ http://www.cylon.org/bsg/bsg-desanto-01.html Q: Now that Firefly has jumped from the small screen to the big as Serenity, would you ever consider doing a theatrical feature of the new BSG? (This ought to stir-up the original series' fan nest.) Eick: Ultimately, I would think any appetite for a Battlestar feature film will be in part driven by how Serenity performs at the box office. However, Glen Larson, the producer of the original Battlestar, in a strange, unusual twist of contractual dexterity, was able to carve out the theatrical film rights back in the '70s when he made his initial deal for the television series. He holds those rights to this day, so any pursuit of a feature film would have to involve Mr. Larson. Given his purported disdain for the new series, that would seem an unlikely scenario http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/bts/...s/eick_QA.html Apparently, SciFi Channel has a penchant for molesting the source material of authors against their wishes. READ: ______________________ How the Sci Fi Channel wrecked my books. By Ursula K. Le Guin Posted Thursday, Dec. 16, 2004, at 6:14 AM PT On Tuesday night, the Sci Fi Channel aired its final installment of Legend of Earthsea, the miniseries based—loosely, as it turns out—on my Earthsea books. The books, A Wizard of Earthsea and The Tombs of Atuan, which were published more than 30 years ago, are about two young people finding out what their power, their freedom, and their responsibilities are. I don't know what the film is about. It's full of scenes from the story, arranged differently, in an entirely different plot, so that they make no sense. [purple]My protagonist is Ged, a boy with red-brown skin. In the film, he's a petulant white kid. Readers who've been wondering why I "let them change the story" may find some answers here. When I sold the rights to Earthsea a few years ago, my contract gave me the standard status of "consultant"—which means whatever the producers want it to mean, almost always little or nothing. My agency could not improve this clause. But the purchasers talked as though they genuinely meant to respect the books and to ask for my input when planning the film. They said they had already secured Philippa Boyens (who co-wrote the scripts for The Lord of the Rings) as principal script writer. The script was, to me, all-important, so Boyens' presence was the key factor in my decision to sell this group the option to the film rights. Months went by. By the time the producers got backing from the Sci Fi Channel for a miniseries—and another producer, Robert Halmi Sr., had come aboard—they had lost Boyens. That was a blow. But I had just seen Halmi's miniseries DreamKeeper, which had a stunning Native American cast, and I hoped that Halmi might include some of those great actors in Earthsea. http://www.slate.com/id/2111107 Ronald Moore booed at 25th BSG anniversary convention NBC/Universal, which owns the franchise, ultimately went with a new version of the "Battlestar" saga, which, like the old series, follows the last vestiges of humanity through space as they try to elude attacks from a mechanized race called the Cylons. Despite this tangled history, when Ronald D. Moore, creator of the new "Battlestar," finally met Hatch in person, the two hit it off. Hatch had invited Moore to show footage of the new mini-series at a 2003 convention celebrating the 25th anniversary of the original series. To say that the old-school "Battlestar" fans in the audience were a tough crowd is an understatement. "There was hostility," Moore recalls with a rueful laugh. "I was booed." When things got too testy during Moore's Q&A session, Hatch stepped in, a gesture the veteran of "Carnivale" and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" appreciated. http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....nt_tv/2005/01/ Why most sci fi fantasy fans hate Ronald Moore However, many have a problem with Ron Moore for the key role he played in writing "Star Trek Generations," which many consider to be the turning point of Trek, essentially the franchise killer, though it was to be a slow death over time. One of the biggest fan "movements" of modern Trek stems from the frustration over the ridiculously mediocre and meaningless death of Kirk, an icon of American pop-culture. Again, Moore played a key role in this. Moore has been attached with much mediocrity. Star Trek Generations. Mission Impossible 2. My own look at TNG episodes reveals (IMHO, of course) that most of the really good episodes with Moore's name on them are co-written with other writers, and than many of the scripts with only Moore's name on them are pretty mediocre. Haven't looked at the DS9 episode credits in the same way. Add to that Moore's role in the remake of BSG when for more than two decades both the BSG fan base and actors have been clamoring for a continuation. Top that with Moore's uncommon arrogance in claiming to reinvent an entire genre with a remake of an old TV show. Gene Roddenberry never claimed that he was doing anything remarkable. He was just happy to do what he wanted to do, as best he could, while occassionally putting one over on the networks who didn't catch some of the messages he wanted to convey. George Lucas never thought that Star Wars would revitalize and change a genre and an industry, he was just happy to tell the story he wanted to tell. Very few creative types who declare their own work revolutionary will produce anything that truly is. So, to his critics Moore has been involved in the two most contentious bad decisions in two of science fiction television's biggest franchises ever, as well as engaging in more than his share of mediocre TV and movies. As for BSG, what Moore claims is revolutionary is really just taking SF TV further from it's roots and potential. All he is doing it is placing the SF in the background to make character drama in space, with the whining, maladjusted, psychologically disoriented, unrealistically, dysfunctionally flawed characters that seem to be popular as a current entertainment fad. How drama cliche's translate to revolutionary SF, I don't know. I think Moore would do fine in straight drama, maybe as a staff writer for ER or some cop show, but his sensibilties are all wrong for Trek, BSG and SF. And did I mention all the mediocrity? http://www.trekweb.com/stbbs/showThr... &sort=&order= Last edited by smileyone : 09-04-2009 at 06:49 PM. Reason: Double Posting |
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01-31-2009, 06:31 PM
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| What a tool I read most of intelligent replies to this thread (meaning I skimmed past most of spiders) I must say I found this to be such good comedy that I took the time to sign up just so I could tell the itsy bitsy spider to get a life The Reimagined BSG is the best show on TV. remember when Lorne Green got a new toupee for Galactica 1980 Boxy still loves you, spidey |
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02-25-2009, 01:59 PM
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| The "Best Show Ever" has been getting a 1.1 in the ratings, which is laughable and has turned into a total, plot hole, laughable retcon'd mess: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/...read/131144688 |
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08-28-2009, 02:24 PM
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| Wow it's been a long, long time since I've posted in here. I wonder what spider is up to since BSG has ended? Probably playing with his feceies and contemplating his navel. |
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09-04-2009, 07:00 PM
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| OK... Officially I have had enough!!!  ...Going all Mod like for a minute... I have trawled through all nine pages of this thread and that's it... I'm done!!! Spiderr987... For the love of everything in life that is good... You have said your part and made your point well... but this thread is now starting to become boring... Too much of the same type of statistics bore people... to a result that they switch off from the topic and go elsewhere... I get you hate the show and like the original more... Of the two, I too prefer the original... but I make my point here once and then move on, not go over it again and again for a whole nine more pages! The essential debate in this thread is good... the whole 'Old Show V New Show' here... and what one is best etc..... and without huge statistics and with just some personal views from thread users, this should be continued here, otherwise thread will be closed.
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