Ben's memory

[kellybee]

So I'm wondering now, young Ben has met with Sayid from the Future. How does this work?

Desmond never had a memory of Faraday knocking on his door until the losties went back and Daniel DID knock on his door.

Will the same rules apply to Ben? Did Sayid already turn up in Ben's past, or is this an alteration that he'll remember only now that the past is changed?

If Sayid really did turn up when Ben was a kid as it originally happened, then would he know who the losties were before 815 ever crashed? And if not, it would appear that Faraday's theory of being unble to change the past is inaccurate.

[g8rfan]

Faraday's remarks should have made time easier to understand, but it's just the opposite. Sawyer pounds on the hatch door and nothing happens because "if it didn't happen, it can't happen", yet they've been making things happen all over the place. I'm confused.

"The rules don't apply to Desmond" Hmm... The only thing different about Desmond so far is that he gained a memory he didn't have before. But maybe it works that way with everyone. I doubt it though because Charlotte remembered Faraday before he had tried warned her not to come back to the island. And I think that Whitmore has known all along about Locke which is why Abaddon suggested that John take a walk-about, probably at Whitmore's bequest.

If this is true, then Ben might remember Sayid and the rest of them and had foreknowledge of their arrival on the island. I hope not though. Ben is complicated enough already.

[Lurcher]

Having just rewatched season 2, Benry Gale seems to be very afraid of sayid before he's informed of sayid's former occupation, possibly indicating that sayid has told him in the past what he does to him in the future. I know it wasn't planned for Ben to be top dog, but i don't doubt that team Darlton rewatch peoples old performances to see if they can feasibly fit them in with the time travel theme

[kellybee]

Very interesting, but what I'm wondering is whether his memory will work like Charlotte's - I remember you, you told me if I come back here I will die, or like
Desmond's - whose memory was altered

When Charlotte remembered Faraday, she didnt say she had always remembered meeting him before, if I remember correctly it didnt sound to me as if she had remembered Faraday all along/had chosen to keep it a secret. I wonder when she realised she had met him before, was it recently or has she always retained that memory since childhood?

If Daniel knocked on Desmond's door, and altered the past (and desmond's memory), then it would appear that DANIEL has the ability to change the past, despite him saying the exception to the rule is Desmond

PS: How long has it been since we used the terms Fenry or Benry, that's made my day lol

[kellybee]

Originally Posted by Lurcher

Having just rewatched season 2, Benry Gale seems to be very afraid of sayid before he's informed of sayid's former occupation, possibly indicating that sayid has told him in the past what he does to him in the future. I know it wasn't planned for Ben to be top dog, but i don't doubt that team Darlton rewatch peoples old performances to see if they can feasibly fit them in with the time travel theme

I so have to go back and re-watch. Good observation

[Talontbo]

The Ben you all have been watching for 4.5 seasons would not have a memory of something that in affect had not happened.

It did not happen in BEN'S PAST TIME LINE... The time line we have been watching for 4.5 seasons.. Any more so or less or none at all, than every other character that has now experienced this Time Travel..

Example: Juliette, why would she agree to go to the Island with Ethan and Richard if she had memories of the times we now see her in?

Ask yourselves the same questions with regards to Kate, Hurley, Jack, heck, ask why not a single person that crashed on Flight 815 knew where they were??? especially the known time travelers aboard Flight 316..

This is an all new time line.. especially designed for them... and Orchestrated by Charles Widmore...

Need Proof????? ask why Richard and Locke did not relive, through extraordinary or ordinary conversation, The first meeting they supposedly had, before Locke was even born, when they were sitting atop the hill looking down on a tied up Locke's Father?

Reason, because neither could have a memory of an event that had not taken place in that time line...

Now you have ask....

Then how was it Richard knew when and where Locke would be born????

Simple Answer...... The Richard Flashback we saw a couple season ago where Richard is standing in the Hospital after Locke was born, was a Flashback viewed based on this new time line... and not the time line we have become so comfortable with...

Here is the "Paradox"... For 4.5 seasons, what exactly have we be viewing through Real Time, Past Time or Future Time????

Real Time, Space Time or Imaginary Time???

forget that this is simply a TV Show.. and ask yourselves... What parts of this show have been about, What is happening, What was happening and What will be happening? and how exactly do they relate or are separate from each other...???? and ultimately what really does happen.

Like the Food Drop... no plane sounds, but there is a parachute...

Perhaps a Food Drop from another Time Line... instead of Disappearing like we know Locke did and Charlotte did...

the Food just appears... But the fact is... there was a Food Drop from a Plane... just not in that Time Line... but, in that location..... opposite of Locke and Charlotte... but exactly the same.

And from someone that knew they needed food.... I wonder who it could have been???

[g8rfan]

Hey Talontbo,

The O6's memories wouldn't change because they're from the future. It is the people they interact with in the past, like young Ben, that would have new memories. Or perhaps those memories (of the 1977 O6 encounters) were there the whole time. That is the debate.

Richard knew where and when Locke was born because Locke told him, when they flashed to the 50s. He even suggested that Richard visit him. Richard retained this memory. If you're suggesting that every slight change in the past results in a new timeline, there would be an infinite number of them. That's certainly a possible result since we don't really know what the effects of time travel are, but I don't think it's where the writers are going.

[Talontbo]

hey Gr8,,

Your missing it...

Ask yourself,

Is it possible, that the Flashback we saw of Richard, in the hospital, on the day Locke was born.. was set in a Time Line that is associated with what we are now seeing? And not what we all thought we were seeing...

You see, the debate we all had then was whether Richard had time traveled BACK, to see Locke be born... and then later he traveled back to Test Locke like some Dali Lama...

And then there was the Richard Knew he would be born.... discussion...

Fact is... the event that took Locke to see Richard when Jughead needed disposal had not even occurred in either time line...

So again I say...

Did we see or have we been shown and not recognized, Flashbacks that were from .....

MULTIPLE TIME LINE!!!!!?????

I understand the concept is difficult to wrap the noodle around... I am just asking.... is it possible???

[Lurcher]

I'm of the opinion that all the time flashes up until the one where they stuck were in timeline A, we don't even know if Richard's still alive in timeline B yet, maybe the fact that locke and him caused a paradox with their meeting before birth is the reason the timeline's switched in the first place

[Lurcher]

Oh, and i'm also thinking Desmond's exempt due to becoming successfully anchored in time with Penny, possibly causing him to become 'the constant'- whatever timeline you meet him in, it's the same Desmond